Why are the Argentinian and Brazilian Leagues split in two parts?




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The Argentina–Brazil rivalry is a highly competitive sports rivalry that exists between the national football teams of the two countries, as well as their respective sets of fans. Games between the two teams, even those that are only friendly matches, are often marked by notable and sometimes controversial incidents. This rivalry is also called the "Battle of the South Americans." FIFA have described it as the "essence of football rivalry",[1] while ESPN FC ranked it top of their list of rivalries between national sides.[2]

Even to passionate football fans, Argentina–Brazil matches are often noteworthy for the sheer level of competitiveness and talent of the two squads. Both Argentina and Brazil are routinely ranked among the top ten national teams in the world.


The origins of the football rivalry between Argentina and Brazil can be traced to before football became so popular in both countries. Today, few remember wars and other political...

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If you are referring to soccer (futbol), which "neighboring countries" do not have a healthy rivalry, in which they passionately & actively compete in?

If you are referring to individual, egotistical attitude rivalries, they exist, but it is not deep seeded. All the Brazilians I've had the pleasure to meet and become friends with are great people and the feelings are mutual.

Civility between the two countries is greater than not, and is no different than any
other neighboring countries.

Leonel Messi and Daniel Alves


The picture below is not accurate, David Silva (left in picture), as pointed out by Aymen Saleh, is not Brazilian, he is...

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I have been, traditionally, a Brazil fan. I don’t remember since when, but I still did occasionally like Argentina. Although that was more due to a certain Diego Maradona. But ever since the departure of that colourful Argentinian my loyalties became pretty much concrete – with the Selecao.

Until this tournament.

Don’t get me wrong. I would still continue to admire and support the Brazilians. There is far too much joy in their game to push you from supporting them. Even their spectacular flop last summer did little to budge me on to another team. (Yes, in international football it is okay to switch loyalties, at times) But in this tournament, the Argentinians showed the kind of free flowing football that would make anyone drool. But it wasn’t so much for the pretty-ness of the Albiceleste as much as it was for the dourness of the Brazilians, that made me start liking the Argies.

After their horrible performance in...

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Back in Belo Horizonte for the first time in two years on Thursday night, it would be easy for Brazil to linger on the memory of the game that many locals still refer to as ‘The 7-1’.

They return to the site of their World Cup semi-final mauling by Germany but cannot afford to have their thoughts clouded by nightmares of 2014 with fierce rivals Argentina the visitors.

South America’s two most-feared international sides meet with World Cup qualifying points on the line – and the small matter of a clash between Barcelona pair Lionel Messi and Neymar.

Brazil's new look squad are hoping to banish 'The 7-1' form memories at Belo Horizonte

Neymar was absent that night with injury - but he is fully fit and raring to take on Argentina

As ever, Argentina will be looking to Lionel Messi to get their faltering campaign on target

Argentina have their own ideas of a form of redemption having made a stuttering start on the road to Russia 2018.


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The rivalry is legendary. A fixture which began during World War One has evolved into one of football’s most dramatic duels, helped along by the presence of the greatest players on the planet and some very short fuses.

Pele or Maradona? Messi or Neymar? Kaka, Rivaldo, Batistuta, Riquelme... when it comes to South American superpowers Brazil and Argentina, the flow of talent seems endless.

Add passion and the Latin American ‘temperament’ and this is a match with a history of tantrums, too.

Pele celebrates after Brazil win the 1970 World Cup in one of football's most iconic images



Lucky Beijing, then, for being able to host the Superclasico de los Americas at the Bird’s Nest Stadium on Saturday. A normal two-legged clash will be decided by a one-off match this year.

Both countries have replaced their managers – Gerardo Martino and Dunga are the new coaches – since the...

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The big Buenos Aires derby is followed all over the continent for a number of reasons. One is the historic role played by Argentina in the consolidation of South American football. The British introduced the game to the South Cone. More than anyone else, the Argentines helped the spread of the game northwards. In terms of playing styles and fan culture, much of the continent takes its cue from Argentina.

The second reason is the content of the derby, the forces which are being represented. Both River and Boca began life in the working class docklands area of La Boca - literally 'the mouth' of the River Plate - where, during the late nineteenth and early twentieth century immigrants poured in in their millions from Italy, Spain, Eastern Europe and the Middle East.

Boca Juniors have stayed put. River Plate have long since moved out to the snooty suburbs. Both moved into their current stadiums and consolidated their identities just as Argentine football was entering into...

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COMMENT: Late on Sunday evening, City were scrambling. The big guns at Manchester City were doing the ring around to their closest in the press: Get it out there! Get it out there! We want Sergio to stay.

And the scribes obliged. Indeed, City's response was so swift, you could almost publish the two versions alongside eachother. On the left was Sergio Aguero admitting he could leave City at season's end. And on the right was the club making it clear no-one was pushing the Argie out.

But why the panic?

In his comments - and it was a bombshell - Aguero never made any accusations. He wasn't aggressive. It was almost matter-of-fact.

“When you're on the bench you have to wait for your opportunity. I have three months to do my best and help the team and we'll see what happens," he said. “In these last three months that are left I have to help the club and as I say the club will decide if I have a place here or not."

With Pep Guardiola selecting the...

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By Thomas Farines –

A new season means a new league format for the Argentinian Primera Division. The man who set in motion this year’s change was Julio Grondona, who was the almighty godfather of Argentinian and South American football until his death in July 2014. Don Julio’s reign in Argentina lasted 35 years, during which he also acted as one of FIFA’s vice-Presidents for 26 years.

At one point Grondona was even the favourite to succeed...

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Brazil’s impeachment crisis provokes split in Morenoite PSTU

By Miguel Andrade
31 August 2016

On July 6 a major split was announced in the Brazilian United Socialist Workers Party (Partido Socialista dos Trabalhadores Unificado—PSTU), the chief section of the International Workers League (known by the Spanish initials LIT), the international grouping founded by the late Argentine revisionist Nahuel Moreno. Fully half of the party’s membership, 739 activists and supporters, including long time central committee members, elected officials and union functionaries, published a manifesto announcing their break with the party.

The split was promptly acknowledged by the PSTU leadership in a “friendly” comment. Party chairman Ze Maria issued a statement in which he began by declaring, “I respect all the comrades that have broken with us,” while declaring their leaving the party “an important mistake.” For their part, those who split declared their...

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David Luiz was sent off late on as Brazil bounced back from 1-0 down to claim a crucial World Cup qualification point against rivals Argentina.

La Albiceleste dominated much of the contest but failed to make the most of their first-half opportunities, following Ezequiel Lavezzi’s opener.

The introduction of Douglas Costa as a second half substitute gave the Selecao fresh impetuous though, with Lucas Lima scoring his first goal for Brazil after good work from the Bayern Munich winger.

The result leaves Argentina - who were missing Lionel Messi through injury - with just three points from their opening three World Cup qualification fixtures, with manager Tata Martino under pressure following the poor start to the campaign.

However, the point was a significant one for Dunga and Brazil - with the Selecao now jumping into fourth place in the South American World Cup qualification table. In future they will need to play a more...

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Tottenham Hotspur are once again mounting a title challenge under the guidance of Mauricio Pochettino. Unlike their many rivals their push for the Premier League crown isn’t fuelled by money and expensive acquisitions but something much rarer; patience.

In modern society, with everything just one click away, the need for patience is non-existent. Type Harry Kane into Google and you’re hit with about 21,600,000 pieces of information or articles relating to the striker in 0.64 seconds.

We are all now used to everything being instantaneous. If you say you haven’t angrily closed down a tab while searching the internet because it didn’t load in the blink of an eye you’d be lying.

This impatience isn’t just exclusive to things online either. It’s just life.

How many people have contemplated taking the stairs just because a lift hasn’t arrived two seconds after pressing the button? Watching the trailers at the cinema used to be part of the experience...

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Currently, the argentine league is not splited. Since 2014 is one tournament again

Starting August 2014, the "Torneo de...

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Apertura and Clausura tournaments during calendar year

Apertura and Clausura starting in the second half of calendar year and finishing at the first half of following year

Apertura and Clausura are only parts of a larger tournament

The Apertura...

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The Brazilian football league system is a series of interconnected leagues for football clubs in Brazil. It consists of several independent pyramids, which are the national pyramid and the state pyramids. As those pyramids are independent, clubs usually compete in both pyramids in the same year (a state and a national one). Both the national pyramid and the state pyramids consist of several different levels. The best placed teams in the state championships as well as the best ranked clubs in CBF's ranking compete in the Copa do Brasil.


There are two simultaneous and independent pyramids in the Brazilian football, the national pyramid, and the state pyramid.

While the national competitions are organized by CBF, the state championships are organized by the respective football federations of each state (for example, the Campeonato Pernambucano is organized by the Pernambuco Football Federation).

The national pyramid competitions start in...

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Argentineans have invaded Brazil during the World Cup. While Brazilians have had (and will continue to have) plenty of political, economic and social issues to deal with as a consequence of the tournament, their South Americans rivals were just happy to go to Brazil and celebrate their team and football culture in Brazilian cities.

Hundreds of thousands of Argentineans have crossed Brazilian southern borders, even without money to buy a ticket for a match or just to pay for accommodation. They wanted to be part of the party, and they could sleep on Rio de Janeiro’s beaches.

Argentina making it to the World Cup final at the...

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1. The way they treat their teams

Fact: Brazilians pester their players. In Argentina, supporters cheer nonstop for the whole 90 minutes. Yes, they also assault their players from time to time, but that’s another story.

2. Fan violence

Compared to the Argentinian barras bravas, the Brazilian organizadas behave like grandmothers. Soccer violence in Argentina is more prevalent and problematic because it gets political — a serious issue.

3. Party style at the stadiums

This point isn’t all that different. Both sides wave flags, display banners, and flaunt their pride. But Argentinians are prone to make a mess, launching all those pieces of shredded paper onto the field. I’d hate to be the cleanup crew after the game.

4. Earned conceit

Brazilians are arrogant about their soccer tradition. But, as five-time World Cup champions, they have good reason. While Argentina is certainly a major player on the world stage, it’s not as important as its supporters like to...

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Jun 30, 2006. In quarter-finals Argentina lost 4-2 to Germany on the penalties shoot-out at Berlin. The match had ended 1-1. Ayala opened the scoring from a header at 49th after Riquelme's corner-kick from the right. Klose, also from a header, scored the equaliser at 80th. In the penalties shoot-out, Alemania scored four; in Argentina, Cruz scored, Ayala got his shot saved, Maxi...
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I have been reading a lot on this forum about soccer. There's been interesting threads about the MLS and European leagues.

But it's a bit funny that very little is talked about the South American leagues.

I've always considered that the powers of soccer are Europe and South America. Different styles, different environments, but still the same game. I know that the European leagues have more $$$ and so are more competitive from that point of view, but given that many South American national teams are among the most winning teams in the world, I'm a bit surprised that little is said about SA leagues and teams. I'm not saying that nothing is said... in fract, I read some things about it, but it's much less than what is talked about the European leagues.

For example, I read more than once in this forum that some European matches are broadcast in the USA (UEFA Champions League, EPL, La Liga, Serie A, and so on), but do the domestic leagues of the South American...

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Everybody have been pouring statistics or giving names of legendary star players so far.

But I remeber a long distant time (2000) when I was strolling in the beaches of Vitoria, Brazil. They were using beach volley nets to play with a football ball and feet and heads but the same rules for volley. They were a lot of casual players, and, in general, they had an impressive level.

And even if we have a version of that in Argentina (called Coca-Cola, played with a tennis net; not a minor difference) I'm yet to find two Argentines that have the same level of dexterity I've seen that afternoon alone.

So, for the sake of fairness, in layman terms, I would bet Brazil. No hard feelings, though. IMHO if you get mad because of these things you really deserved it...

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A casual fan might have been dumbstruck seeing Argentina's lineup against Colombia. A back four, Lucas Biglia and Javier Mascherano shielding, Ever Banega handling playmaking duties (not entirely unexpected), Angel Di Maria and Lionel Messi cutting in from wide and, up front ... Lucas Pratto.

Not Gonzalo Higuain, who set a Serie A goalscoring record last year. (He was on the bench.) Not Sergio "Kun" Aguero, who may well be the best striker in the Premier League and was the second-leading scorer last year. (He, too, was riding the pine.) Not Angel Correa, who may still be just 21 but at least plays for Atletico Madrid. (He was hanging with El Pipita and El Kun.) Not Mauro Icardi, who may be a bit of an odd fellow but was Serie A's top scorer two years ago and already has 11 goals this year in all competitions. (He was, presumably, in Wanda Nara Land.)

But Pratto. PRATTO! We talkin' 'bout Pratto. PRATTO!

The guy who is 28 years old and, until two months ago, had...

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