Why didn't Oklahoma attempt an extra point after their fumble recovery touchdown at the end of regulation time in 12/7/13 NCAA game vs OK ST?


The NFL overtime rules state that a touchdown by either team wins the game (field goals and esoteric scoring methods are irrelevant to this question).

During Sunday Night Football on November 29, 2015, the Patriots lost to the Broncos in overtime when a Bronco scored a touchdown. This ended the game, 30-24.

During Monday Night Football on the next day, November 30, 2015, the Browns lost to the Ravens 33-27. The Browns lined up with seconds left to go in the fourth quarter and the score tied at 27. They were trying to hit a game-winning field goal as time expired. Instead, the field goal was blocked. The ball was in bounds and live, allowing a Raven to pick up the ball and run it back for a touchdown.

The clock was at zero by the time the ball was picked up, let alone run back. Coaches came onto the field, shook hands, everyone treated it like game over except for the referees. They made the Ravens attempt a PAT (or two-point conversion) due to the touchdown....

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The the NFL rulebook, rule 14, section 1, article 14:

If a team scores and the opponent commits a personal or unsportsmanlike conduct foul or a palpably unfair act during the down, the penalty is enforced on the succeeding free kick unless the enforcement resulted in the score.

Note: If the personal foul, unsportsmanlike conduct foul, or a palpably unfair act by the opponent occurred on a successful field goal or Try kick, the penalty could be enforced from the previous spot and the offensive team would retain the ball, with no score.

High school rules could of course be different.

Note that there is no requirement that the kickoff be the same or the other team's kick.

Assuming NFL rules, team A would likely have elected to have the penalty enforced on the kickoff, which would have meant that B's kickoff would have moved closer to its own end zone, potentially giving A much better field position. Forcing team A to replay the PAT was...

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The difference between an "incompletion" and a "completion followed by a fumble" is in the rules for a completion.

A completion has to meet three criteria:

The receiver needs to gain control of the ball. The receiver needs to have both feet or any other body part (except hands) on the ground inbounds. The receiver needs to maintain control of the ball long enough to make a "football move."

If any of these three criteria are not met, it is an incompletion. If all three are met, it is a completion, and if the ball is dropped, a fumble.

From the 2013 Official Playing Rules of the NFL, 8.1.3:


Article 3 Completed or Intercepted Pass. A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) if a player, who is inbounds:

(a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and

(b) touches the ground...

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According to the NFL Rulebook, Rule 8, Article 7 (page 53 of the 2011 Rulebook), a the enforcement in your example would be from the spot of the fumble, as it was forward of the line of scrimmage. Had the fumble or penalty occurred behind the line of scrimmage, it would've been from the previous spot.

ENFORCEMENT SPOT DURING A BACKWARD PASS OR FUMBLE Article 7 Enforcement Spot During a Backward Pass or Fumble. When a foul occurs during a backward pass or fumble, the basic spot of enforcement is the spot of the backward pass or fumble. Exceptions: (a) Behind the Line. When the spot of the backward pass or fumble is behind the line (including in A’s end zone), if either team fouls, the spot of enforcement is the previous spot, even if B’s foul is in A’s end zone. If Team A fouls in its own end zone during a backward pass or fumble, the enforcement of the penalty results in a safety

The rule for a penalty during a forward pass is slightly different, but has the same result:...

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Three years ago, college football fans were treated to the now-famous "Kick Six" 109-yard missed field goal touchdown return by Auburn's Chris Davis to lead the Tigers to a win as time expired over Alabama in the 2013 Iron Bowl. On the opening Saturday of 2016, that excitement returned as Houston's Brandon Wilson accomplished the same feat against Oklahoma.

Wilson returned Austin Seibert's missed 53-yard field goal attempt in the third quarter of Saturday's No. 3 vs. No. 15 matinee matchup, barely keeping his toes in bounds as he reached high to corral the short kick. He then charged down the whole length of the field untouched to give Houston a 25-17 advantage.

The Cougars wanted to show everyone it belongs in the Playoff conversation. That game-changing moment is one way to do so.

Houston held on for the upset win, knocking off Oklahoma 33-23.


You HAVE to listen to @KevinEschRS + @Pardee_Time rock the radio call of...

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USA TODAY Sports' Tom Pelissero recaps the biggest takeaways from Sunday's games.

On a day when NFL placekickers missed 12 extra-point attempts, it became clear the league should enact a rule change that would spice up the game and address declining TV ratings.

The dozen missed extra points on Sunday — an NFL record for a single day — can be traced to the league’s decision before the 2015 season to move back the kicks 13 yards to the 15-yard line.

The NFL didn’t go far enough.

It’s time to tack on another 10 yards to the kicks, which would become 43-yarders, and keep the two-point conversion at the 2-yard line. Or better yet, narrow the goalposts and make kickers thread the needle.

Either way, it's time to force coaches to think longer and harder about keeping the kicker on the sideline and using the two-point conversion.

On Sunday, some of the balls kicked on extra-point attempts caromed off the uprights, others sailed wide of the...

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The good news for Texas is that they’re scoring lots of touchdowns — four already in the first half against Oklahoma State. The bad news is they’re not doing a good job of kicking the extra point, which is supposed to be the easy part. Kicker Trent Domingue has had three of his four extra points blocked.

Here’s the first, which was returned the length of the field for two points by the Cowboys:

That’s actually the second time the Longhorns have had an extra point returned for a defensive conversion this year -- an NCAA record.

Here’s the second:

And here’s the third.

It looks like a combination of problems: Domingue’s kicks on the second and third attempts were pretty low, and ugly play by the offensive line allowed players to break completely through on the first and second.

Domingue is a good kicker -- he hit 55 of 56 extra point attempts at LSU, where he transferred from this season — and the offensive line has held its ground on more...

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Former Patriots defensive back Steve Gregory has decided to call it a career.

The 31-year-old announced his retirement from pro football on Saturday after eight seasons in the NFL, in a statement released by his agent David Canter.

It is with tremendous respect, appreciation, and admiration for the game of football that I’ve decided to announce my retirement effective immediately. After enter the game as an undrafted free agent, I was fortunate enough to play twice as long as the average player. This past offseason, my wife Rosanne and I were blessed to welcome a daughter, Aviana, and spending time with her has changed my life’s perspective. It is my hope to continue in football as a coach and I look forward to what the future holds. I’m tremendously happy with my decision and being able to walk away from this great game both healthy and on my own terms. I would be remiss in announcing my retirement without thanking my great family, coaches, teammates, scouts,...

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The convert or try, in American and Canadian football, is a one-scrimmage down played immediately after a touchdown during which the scoring team is allowed to attempt to score an extra one point by kicking, or two points by touchdown.[1] The play may also be referred to as a conversion, extra point, point after touchdown (sometimes abbreviated as PAT), or point after.

If the convert is attempted by kicking, if the kick goes through the uprights, the team gets an additional one point for their touchdown, bringing their total for that score from six points to seven. If two extra points are needed or desired, a two-point conversion try may be attempted by running or passing from scrimmage. A successful touchdown conversion brings the score's total to eight.

The extra point is among the oldest parts of the game of gridiron football and dates to its rugby roots. In its earliest days, scoring a touchdown was not the primary objective but a means of getting a free kick at...

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The Red River Rivalry — Oklahoma vs. Texas — went the Sooners' way the past three seasons, but not Saturday. The Longhorns gave their embattled coach Mack Brown a much-needed win. And are the Missouri Tigers for real? They're in the driver's seat in the SEC East after taking down Georgia on the road. Track all the top games action on Sporting News' live scoreboard.

Later Saturday night, Penn State upset Michigan in four overtimes and Utah shocked Stanford.

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No. 1 Alabama 48, Kentucky 7 (recap): T.J. Yeldon and Kenyan Drake both ran for more than 100 yards and AJ McCarron threw for more than 300 as the Crimson Tide overcame a scoreless first quarter to handle the Wildcats in Lexington.

No. 2 Oregon 45, No. 16 Washington 24 (recap): The Huskies might have Marcus Mariota nightmares. The Ducks QB answered every Huskies' rally Saturday and...

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NCAA Football Rule 8-2-3-a, covering the "try" (either extra point or two-point conversion), states:

a. The ball shall be put in play by the team that scored a six-point touchdown. If a touchdown is scored during a down in which time in the fourth period expires, the try shall not be attempted unless the point(s) would affect the outcome of the game.

If the score had been 34-32 or 33-32 in favor of Oklahoma State or tied 33-33 after the touchdown, then Oklahoma would have attempted the try. But since Oklahoma already had the lead, it was not necessary.

My interpretation of "unless the point(s) would affect the outcome of the game" leads me to believe that the try is only attempted if it would help the scoring team; i.e. a team that scores to take a one-point lead as time expires would not have to attempt the try, even though the defense could in theory score two points on a turnover or blocked kick.

Note that the NFL's rules differ on this point;...

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In American and Canadian football, a two-point conversion or two-point convert is a play a team attempts instead of kicking a one-point conversion immediately after it scores a touchdown. In a two-point conversion attempt, the team that just scored must run a play from close to the opponent's goal line (5-yard line in amateur Canadian, 3-yard line in professional Canadian, 3-yard line in amateur American, 2-yard line in professional American) and advance the ball across the goal line in the same manner as if they were scoring a touchdown. If the team succeeds, it earns two additional points on top of the six points for the touchdown. If the team fails, no additional points are scored. In either case, the team proceeds to a kickoff.

Various sources estimate the success rate of a two-point conversion to be between 40% and 55%, significantly lower than that of the extra point, though if the higher value is to be believed, a higher expected value is achieved through the...

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The rate of fumbles by running backs in the NFL has decreased steadily since the

AFL–NFL merger


A fumble in American and Canadian football occurs when a player who has possession and control of the ball loses it before being downed (tackled) or scoring. By rule, it is any act other than passing, kicking, punting, or successful handing that results in loss of player possession. A fumble may be forced by a defensive player who either grabs or punches the ball or butts the ball with his helmet (a move called "tackling the ball"). A fumbled ball may be recovered and advanced by either team (except, in American football, after the two-minute warning in either half or 4th down, when the fumbling player is the only offensive player allowed to advance the ball, otherwise the ball is ruled dead at the spot of recovery if the ball bounces backwards or spotted at the point of the fumble if the ball travels forward). It is one of three events that can cause a turnover (the...

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Introduction of the Forward PassNo one really knows when exactly the first forward pass was implemented in an actual game, but most historians do agree that in 1873 represenatives from Yale, Princeton, and Rutgers met to discuss formulating rules for this new game of football. The new rules consiste…

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If this is just a pick up game, than kids do this often. If swear words are involved, that may need to be stopped. A good referee/official will generally give a warning when a player or individual is out of hand and may be impeding any player's performance. Even in elementary ball, the ref…

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During the course of play, as long as you reestablish legal position on the court prior to receiving the ball play continues without penalty.An inbounds play may be a different case. I believe you cannot be the...

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The conversion, try (American football, also known as a point(s) after touchdown, PAT, or extra point), or convert (Canadian football) occurs immediately after a touchdown during which the scoring team is allowed to attempt to score one extra point by kicking the ball through the uprights in the manner of a field goal, or two points by bringing the ball into the end zone in the manner of a touchdown; depending on league rules, one point may also be scored by manner of a safety.

Attempts at a try or convert are scrimmage plays, with the ball initially placed at any point between the hash marks, at the option of the team making the attempt. The yard line that attempts are made from depends on the league and the type of try or convert being attempted.

If the try or convert is scored by kicking the ball through the uprights, the team gets an additional one point for their touchdown, bringing their total for that score from six points to seven. If two points are needed or...

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Arkansas: If the much-improved Razorbacks played in the SEC East or another conference, they'd probably have a much better record than 3-3. After losing to Texas A&M 35-28 in overtime two weeks ago, the Hogs held Alabama to only 227 yards of offense (66 rushing) but still lost 14-13 at home on Saturday night. The Hogs have dropped 15 consecutive SEC games, dating to the 2012 season. Florida: The Will Muschamp era was pretty much encapsulated in the final two minutes of Saturday night's 30-27 loss to LSU. Trailing the Tigers 27-24, the Gators had a chance to win the game, but Tevin Westbrook dropped a third-down pass in the end zone. Florida had to settle for a field goal to tie the score, and then LSU won on Colby Delahoussaye's 50-yard field goal as time expired. UF has dropped nine of its last 12 games, putting Muschamp firmly on the hot seat. Louisville: The Cardinals squandered a golden opportunity in a 23-17 loss at Clemson on Saturday, as they couldn't punch in the ball...
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NFL Rules Digest: Fumble

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The distinction between a fumble and a muff should be kept in mind in considering rules about fumbles. A fumble is the loss of player possession of the ball. A muff is the touching of a loose ball by a player in an unsuccessful attempt to obtain possession. A fumble may be advanced by any player on either team regardless of whether recovered before or after ball hits the ground. A fumble that goes forward and out of bounds will return to the fumbling team at the spot of the fumble unless the ball goes out of bounds in the opponent’s end zone. In this case, it is a touchback. On a play from scrimmage, if an offensive player fumbles anywhere on the field during fourth down, only the fumbling player is permitted to recover and/or advance the ball. If any player fumbles after the two-minute warning in a half, only the fumbling player is permitted to recover and/or advance the...
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Game play in American football consists of a series of downs, individual plays of short duration, outside of which the ball is dead or not in play. These can be plays from scrimmage – passes, runs, punts, or field goal attempts (from either a place kick or a drop kick) – or free kicks such as kickoffs and fair catch kicks. Substitutions can be made between downs, which allows for a great deal of specialization as coaches choose the players best suited for each particular situation. During a play, each team should have no more than 11 players on the field, and each of them has specific tasks assigned for that specific play.

Objective of the game[edit]

The objective of this game is to score more points than the other team during the allotted time.[1] The team with the ball (the offense) has 4 plays (downs) to advance at least 10 yards, and can score points once they reach the opposite end of the field, which is home to a scoring zone called the end zone, as well as...

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Beginner's Guide to Football

One 11-man team has possession of the football. It is called the offense and it tries to advance the ball down the field-by running with the ball or throwing it - and score points by crossing the goal line and getting into an area called the end zone.

The other team (also with 11 players) is called the defense. It tries to stop the offensive team and make it give up possession of the ball. If the team with the ball does score or is forced to give up possession, the offensive and defensive teams switch roles (the offensive team goes on defense and the defensive team goes on offense). And so on, back and forth, until all four quarters of the game have been played.

In order to make it easier to coordinate the information in this digest, the topics discussed generally follow the order of the rule book.

The field measures 100 yards long and 53 yards...

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At the end of the 1964 football season, Florida State was awarded their fourth bowl appearance, but by far their most significant bowl invitation in their short football existence since starting the football program only 17 years prior, against the Oklahoma Sooners who had been playing football since 1895.

Before discussing the game which took place on January 2, 1965, I would first like to try to give you a historical perspective of what was going on during this time period in America.

Our country was less than 2 years removed from the assassination of the U.S. president, the White House Chief of Staff had just resigned in disgrace after an encounter with another man in a DC area restroom (yes, even back then some of our politicians were frolicking in public bathrooms), China had just detonated their first nuclear weapon, an escalating and un-winnable war was being fought in Southeast Asia, American citizens were building bomb shelters due to the fear from the...

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